# Subs for Bass & Kick

**URL:** https://community.mwtm.com/t/subs-for-bass-kick/12186
**Category:** Jaycen Joshua - Critical Listening
**Created:** [December 20, 2024, 8:54am UTC](https://community.mwtm.com/t/subs-for-bass-kick/12186 "2024-12-20T08:54:12Z")
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### Author: ![B\_Prasanna](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.mwtm.com/b_prasanna/32/2026_2.png) [@B\_Prasanna](https://community.mwtm.com/u/B_Prasanna)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2024, 8:54am UTC](https://community.mwtm.com/t/subs-for-bass-kick/12186/1 "2024-12-20T08:54:12Z")

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Hi Jaycen; am a music producer and I’m inspired by your approach to sound. My question is - what would contribute towards a more solid low end? Having a sub bass layer (like a sine) under the main bass track or using a plugin like Lo-air or R-bass to generate the lower harmonic? Same question for kick as well.

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### Author: ![Jaycen\_Joshua](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.mwtm.com/jaycen_joshua/32/2051_2.png) [@Jaycen\_Joshua](https://community.mwtm.com/u/Jaycen_Joshua)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://community.mwtm.com/t/subs-for-bass-kick/12186/2 "2025-01-06T03:06:39Z")

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Both are valid approaches but remember that plugins can only generate lower harmonics based on the input signal. Sometimes that can limit options if it’s not giving you the results you want even if its much easier. Adding a sub layer is going to give you more of that control but you might be hard pressed if you’re worrying about phasing and such